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Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:13 pm

After gathering some feedback, and giving out my own ideas, I've come up with a plan for site changes that I'll soon begin trying to implement, assuming the rest of the EG team is on board with it. From talking to Kevin, and brainstorming this myself, our idea is to have two different pages that describe EventGhost.

Page 1 is the landing page, and it is meant to catch the attention of new users. This page describes the team that works on EG, gives a history of the software, and current events as they relate to the project. What I have in my mind is an activity feed that shows changes as they happen on the Git Hub pages, and maybe a Plugin how to of the month or something similar that links to a well polished instructional how to. We can also include links to something like a promotional blog page that describes what kind of new developments, or plans the team has. I know some out there might not like the term promotional but promoting the

Page 2 describes the software itself, and the goal of this page is to relate the technical functions and capabilities of the software to everyday terms and scenarios. We can also include more specific information after the above mentioned summary as well.

Baring any objections, this week I'll start trying to do actual work on the site itself, provided I'm not too busy at work.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by zian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:26 am

Very Cool.
Looking forward to seeing it.
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:40 am

Thanks for the feedback Zain. One thing I forgot to mention is that we stress how much EG is a community driven, and user friendly as well.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by kgschlosser » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:29 pm

I want to make a note on this..

The reason all of this kind of information is being added is multi honed. it is to empower the new/existing user with knowledge.. but it is also for SEO (Search Engine Optimization) what the latter simply means is keyword hits. they have gotten smart with the search engines. and i cannot simply but some hidden text in a page that only the search engine bots can see they repeat words to gain a better standing in the search results. this will get the site banned from even being displayed. so the only way to achieve this is to add more information and more pages.. that is the reason as to why EG is not coming up in searches. is because of the lack of information/keywords on the site. we have the links to the page from other sites.. this is very important as well. we have to change up the page title to also include some of the keyword as well. and the keywords in the page text is the last bit that is needed. our site see a huge about of hits from search engine bots this is how we know that we have link on other sites... there isn't a day that goes by that there isn't at least 3 of them active. which means that we should see results from doing this very rapidly.

I have added a means to view the metrics on a test site. that i have linked to in the forums.. and it is the only place it is linked. this is the numbers since the beginning of august i have removed any ip's from actual users that have gone to the site.

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  Hits      |    Files    |    kB F     |   Visits   |        Hostname
====================================================================================
12   29.27%   4 	21.05%   230  47.72%   5    23.81%   77-88-5-18.spider.yandex.com
6    14.63%   4 	21.05%   199  41.36%   3    14.29%   141-8-144-83.spider.yandex.com
4 	9.76% 	3 	15.79%   35   7.27%    0    0.00%    msnbot-65-55-210-153.search.msn.com
3 	7.32% 	0 	0.00% 	1 	0.31% 	0 	0.00% 	msnbot-157-55-39-251.search.msn.com
2 	4.88% 	0 	0.00% 	1 	0.24% 	2 	9.52% 	77-88-5-58.spider.yandex.com
2 	4.88% 	2 	10.53%   3 	0.67% 	2 	9.52% 	msnbot-157-55-39-163.search.msn.com
1 	2.44% 	1 	5.26% 	2 	0.34% 	1 	4.76% 	141-8-144-116.spider.yandex.com
1 	2.44% 	0 	0.00% 	1 	0.12% 	1 	4.76% 	141-8-144-4.spider.yandex.com
1 	2.44% 	0 	0.00% 	0 	0.04% 	1 	4.76% 	141-8-144-66.spider.yandex.com
1 	2.44% 	0 	0.00% 	1 	0.12% 	1 	4.76% 	77-88-5-62.spider.yandex.com
1 	2.44% 	1 	5.26% 	2 	0.32% 	1 	4.76% 	ec2-34-229-170-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com
1 	2.44% 	1 	5.26% 	2 	0.33% 	1 	4.76% 	ec2-54-154-140-131.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
1 	2.44% 	1 	5.26% 	2 	0.32% 	1 	4.76% 	ec2-54-210-145-159.compute-1.amazonaws.com
1 	2.44% 	1 	5.26% 	1 	0.22% 	0 	0.00% 	msnbot-207-46-13-22.search.msn.com
1 	2.44% 	0 	0.00% 	0 	0.10% 	0 	0.00% 	msnbot-207-46-13-76.search.msn.com
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:06 pm

I'm looking into this more today, and I came across a site that shows another site's backlinks. here is EG's. We get a lot of backlinks from eg.net, eg.org, etc.

https://moz.com/researchtools/ose/links ... from_site=

The biggest thing I see so far is have relevent content, and links to your site from other reputable sites. Its mostly a game of trust and content.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by kgschlosser » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:10 pm

yup it is.
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:16 pm

As you mentioned its also important to keep in mind that google doesn't just reward good SEO, as you said it actually PUNISHES the cheaters, or at least tries to.
kgschlosser wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:29 pm
the lack of information/keywords on the site. we have the links to the page from other sites.. this is very important as well. we have to change up the page title to also include some of the keyword as well. and the keywords in the page text is the last bit that is needed. our site see a huge about of hits from search engine bots this is how we know that we have link on other sites... there isn't a day that goes by that there isn't at least 3 of them active. which means that we should see results from doing this very rapidly.
I am curious about how forum pages are titled because the forums look to use a unique identifier for each page whereas the wiki looks like it is setup perfectly for SEO because it uses keywords. Is the forum page wording something that can or should be changed? If not the wiki becomes that much more important, and most our edited, structured content should go there or somewhere like it. To me, a page that has been optimized for SEO will have the keyword in the page name (The one in the URL in your browser), the title of the article, and the article itself but I'm still researching this, and I can't say for sure that overdoing it won't actually hurt our rankings, I'll have to find out. Your site update probably did quite a bit just on its own to increase SEO because it loads so much faster. Getting our site linked to on other pages would be the next logical step to me, after that is, we're happy with our content.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by kgschlosser » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:32 pm

abusing it would be like having hidden text on your page with a keyword repeated 1000 times.


I think that adding things like Automation Home Media Theater things of that nature in a description for the site and some of them in the title would suffice. But we need to have a plugin listing that links model numbers manufacturers software to EG. so that when someone types in Pioneer Automation Control into google EG would show up. the direct thing that bumps up your rank is external links. just like in high school the most popular student is always at the front of the line for things or gets the most attention. that is why ranking is hard to move in. because the most popular ones stay that way. because they are the ones that always get linked and always get seen. so in most cases unless a site does something wrong and gets banned or the site up and disappears moving rank is something that can take a decade. Now EG has the links all over the bloody place.. the one thing we are missing is the keywords. now by modifying keywords will almost change your ranking instantly if you have the external links in place. At any given minute throughout the day there are at least 2 search engine bots on our site. indexing it. almost 24 7 there is always bots. and that only happens because the bots find the site from external links.
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:35 pm

This is kind of an interesting article about a user's intent. https://moz.com/blog/revisiting-navigat ... t-pagerank.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:08 pm

More about SEO, and setting up the web server

Your site probably has canonicalisation issues (especially if you have an e-commerce website) and it might start at the domain level.
Simply put, https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/ can be treated by Google as a different URL than http://hobo-web.co.uk/ even though it’s the same page, and it can get even more complicated.
Its thought REAL Pagerank can be diluted if Google gets confused about your URLs and speaking simply you don’t want this PR diluted (in theory).
That’s why many, including myself, redirect non-www to www (or vice versa) if the site is on a Linux/Apache server (in the htaccess file –

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^hobo-web.co.uk [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/$1 [L,R=301]
Basically, you are redirecting all the Google juice to one canonical version of a URL.
In 2017 – this is a MUST HAVE best practice.

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:11 pm

About duplicate pages, and 301 redirects

https://youtu.be/Cm9onOGTgeM

Looking more into this, 301 redirects can be used to route traffic across domains. For interdomain redirects, you can use the canonical link element or tag, which is defined in the head by adding the following:

<head>
href="www.eventghost.com"/>
<head>

Edit.. You CAN use a cross domain canonical link but it isn't preferred.. here is a link for more...

https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2009/ ... omain.html
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:28 pm

Here is an "Outsider's" veiw of home automation. This person believes there will be a lot of growth in the DIY market, I.E. EventGhost.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/01/ ... ation.aspx

Here is the article I got most of my information so far from

https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/seo-tutorial/

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by kgschlosser » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:50 pm

tiz how I am doing the redirects at the moment.

this is the .htaccess i have on the old site due to the .org, .com and .de not setting DNS properly.

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RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.org [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.de
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://%1eventghost.net/$1 [L,NC,QSA]



and this is what I am running on the new server to redirect to the .net to keep the cookie stuff for the forum proper and also handle the subdomains.

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RewriteEngine on

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^forum.eventghost.net
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://eventghost.net/forum/$1 [L,NC,QSA]

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^github.eventghost.net
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://github.com/EventGhost/$1 [L,NC,QSA]

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^wiki.eventghost.net
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://eventghost.net/mediawiki/$1 [L,NC,QSA]

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.org [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.com [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?eventghost.de [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.*\.)?104.129.43.183
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://%1eventghost.net/$1 [L,NC,QSA]
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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:00 pm

It looks like that will work. The only caveat I have is that I can't confirm that performing a redirect via server side code will rank a page differently than redirecting via a canonical link meta tag. As long as both the user and the spiders end up on the same page each time, and only the actual page is receiving all of the page rank, then the end state should be the same. I will add that we need to be sure to redirect www.eventghost.net, .org, etc to the final site as well. Here is more about that...

Your site probably has canonicalisation issues (especially if you have an e-commerce website) and it might start at the domain level.
Simply put, https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/ can be treated by Google as a different URL than http://hobo-web.co.uk/ even though it’s the same page, and it can get even more complicated.
Its thought REAL Pagerank can be diluted if Google gets confused about your URLs and speaking simply you don’t want this PR diluted (in theory).
That’s why many, including myself, redirect non-www to www (or vice versa) if the site is on a Linux/Apache server (in the htaccess file –
Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^hobo-web.co.uk [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://www.hobo-web.co.uk/$1 [L,R=301]
Basically, you are redirecting all the Google juice to one canonical version of a URL.
In 2017 – this is a MUST HAVE best practice.

This is from that same site

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Re: Finalizing site changes

Post by jachin99 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:14 pm

I'm starting on the google search engine optimization PDF, and I'll put some notes up about that also. For starters...

Have a useful 404 page that at least points, or better yet redirects users to the actual site. google even suggests making a custom 404 page

Have an HTML site map, AND an XML site map that has been registered in google webmaster tools. I'm not sure if anyone has made a google webmaster account but it only makes sense that this account belongs to an actual webmaster for the site. I'm still reading so more to follow...

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